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Swingline · Mar 04, 2011, 08:27 AM // 08:27

The fact is a lot of pve only skills are OP esp at max rank. Everyone would be running YMLAD/FH spikes. If u srsly need them on heroes then your a crap player and should uninstall the game. Just take your 7 hero I WIN button.

EPO Bot · Mar 04, 2011, 08:32 AM // 08:32

Full hero teams already feel totally cheapass. That first vanquish was so easy i didn't come close to dieing once. If they make them any stronger from here, you might as well have an instant win button.

zidane888 · Mar 04, 2011, 08:33 AM // 08:33

There is a great opportunity for Anet to offer pve Heroskills in their Cashshop.

/sarcasm

I'm worried with the current cycle of updates to the cashshop that these kinds of suggestions actually get some merit from Arena-net's side.

aspi · Mar 04, 2011, 08:34 AM // 08:34

NO, NEVER!!! Clear enough?

Improvavel · Mar 04, 2011, 08:35 AM // 08:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swingline

The fact is a lot of pve only skills are OP esp at max rank. Everyone would be running YMLAD/FH spikes. If u srsly need them on heroes then your a crap player and should uninstall the game. Just take your 7 hero I WIN button.

Like everyone is running YMLAD/FH spikes in 8 humans party?

Ah, it is supper hard to press T, so human teams need them and they aren't crap players...

And discord spikes are so damn hard...

bhavv · Mar 04, 2011, 08:45 AM // 08:45

Quote:

Originally Posted by zidane888

There is a great opportunity for Anet to offer pve Heroskills in their Cashshop.

/sarcasm

I'm worried with the current cycle of updates to the cashshop that these kinds of suggestions actually get some merit from Arena-net's side.

How can you be worried about that? Nothing that has been put in the cash shop for this game affects your in game ability, it is all visual stuff only.

The only thing that the mercenaries do is let you use your alts as hero skills. Thats really not that big a deal, you just have heroes that look like your other characters.

Shakkara · Mar 04, 2011, 08:54 AM // 08:54

Multiple accounts solves this problem.

You get to keep all the loot, too.

Xenomortis · Mar 04, 2011, 11:02 AM // 11:02

No, it's a retarded idea.

First thing I'd do is give anyone of my heroes EVAS and I think that'd be gg.

Zahr Dalsk · Mar 04, 2011, 11:04 AM // 11:04

People argued that 7 hero teams would be imbalanced.

Argued it quite rudely, I might add.

Now they're here and not imbalanced.

Is there really any weight to the complaints that are laid against heroes? Doesn't seem like it to me.

agrios · Mar 04, 2011, 11:35 AM // 11:35

Its not imba, cause a full team of good players + pve skills its far more powered than heroes + pve skills.

I would be lying if I say I wouldnt like PVE skills on my heroes. But I can live with the fact my AI drones cant use it.

Lets look things this way: consider that PVE only skills are one of the bonus of playing with humies, OK?

Killed u man · Mar 04, 2011, 01:45 PM // 13:45

After having read the posts, I have some remaining questions:

Alot of people tend to disagree that heroes should be able to run PvE skills as this would make them overpowered.

Ok, then I ask an anwser to this:

Isn't a 7 hero team already so overpowered, it really doesn't matter anymore?

For that matter:

So you guys admit PvE skills are really overpowered, and playing with heroes who have those skills would make the game too easy, but you see no problem with running those PvE skills on your own bars and/or other human players in the team?

This discussion is not about wether or not heroes with PvE skills are balanced. I, aswell as every other player agreeing or not knows it's not balanced. But we live in 2011, GW is most likely to have it's last year this year, and with the 7 hero team update PvE just went from a breeze to an even lighter breeze.

This discussion is about why not giving us the ability to have some fun in elite areas, and not being forced to look for hours on end for that last paragons with SY or PI or whatever.

The only natural consequence of introducing a 7-hero team (Which will once again push back pugging by alot) is to allow those heroes to PvE skills...

Ayuhmii Shanbwa · Mar 04, 2011, 02:04 PM // 14:04

o_O i thought most people in GW were now non-hardcore players

i mean, i dont mind if they do it, but i dunno if i can make nice builds for heroes which involve pve only skills, as their AI is real bad

examples:
- my monk has power drain as energy management, yet she (tahlky) uses it for any interrupt, and after that she ran out of energy
- my xandra used xinrae's weapon on me while noone got damaged, and no fight was going on yet
- my razah barely uses painful bond, while he has spirits
- i had an ele hero(vekk) which used glowing gaze (gain energy when target foe burns) after he used deep freeze
- monk heroes dont use dwayna's kiss well either, they use it on anyone, even if they have other healing skills, while it has good effect on enchanted allies

this may be just the tip of the iceberg, as i left out the fact they sometimes just walk into the battle, like my gwen did today

another thing bothers me about heroes (and hench), and thats they barely listen to my target call (i wanted to make a suggestion or discussion thread about it before), as they randomly change their own targets

with all this (and probably much more flaws) i doubt heroes can use pve skills well, and micro managing 7 heroes.... is impossible... or its possible, but cant be done well

as for the idea, i dunno, let anet and all players get used to 7 hero teams now (and derv and pre sear etc.) and later on we can see what's best
as i think this is a lil too early after 7 hero teams update to actually see how they act (still dumb, but now in a better organized group)

also, i dont use any cookiecutter like discord, sabway,spiritspam and such, and please dont compare anything with discord, at least not game mechanics

ps. i made builds which work better than discord for me, even before the 7 hero update

quick edit: oh yea, as some say: if you think it'll be too much, then dont use it... so if you hate or dislike 7 heroes, use henchies instead.... but they wont, right?

Ascended Furling · Mar 04, 2011, 02:11 PM // 14:11

No PVE skills for heroes. 7 heroes is already good enough.

Rites · Mar 04, 2011, 02:30 PM // 14:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

Really?

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/c...t10472193.html

If you find the game so easy that it ruins your fun, then you do know that you dont have to run gimmicky builds and can play balanced builds instead right?

The game is as easy or challenging as you make it, feel free to try out my core skill only challenge if you dont like how easy it is.

I only wanted 7 heroes because I dont like henchmen with their fixed skillbars. I like to experiment and create my own builds.

considering i never used EOtN skills, and most skills i do use are core skills this "challenge" of yours i pretty much already do. i don't use the gimmick builds of the week/month/day/whatever specially since i dont care for c-space heros kill type gaming
besides, there really isn't much of a gimmick build for rangers- playing a bow ranger in and of itself is enough of a challenge

FengShuiDove · Mar 04, 2011, 02:52 PM // 14:52

The difference is that 3 heroes was a seriously debilitating gimp on creativity, since you were literally locked in to half of your team's skills, whereas adding PvE skills to heroes doesn't induce creativity.

I wouldn't cry and throw a tantrum if they let heroes use a SINGLE PvE skill, or even better, their own special skill just to give each hero a truly unique feel. But anything more than that is not only overkill, but limits my options. In what scenario is YMLaD not a better option than some skill on a bar? That means that realistically my customization is limited to 7 skills.

Taurean · Mar 04, 2011, 02:55 PM // 14:55

I don't think so. In my own opinion, i -think- the game can be very easy even in hell mode, due to all the overpowered builds that now exist.

With that said, if i want to try to vanquish an area with 8 rangers with rangers only skills, it is a pretty hard task to do. With the pve-skills availible for my heroes, would it make the game a breeze? I don't know.

Hells Fury · Mar 04, 2011, 03:22 PM // 15:22

Sure, why not. Give heroes pve skills. But not now, it's still too early for that. After gw2.
Then at the very end of this game, when they put the last nail in the coffin they should give us this : http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/BAMPH!

Although i really wanted 7 heroes, i just realized how silly this game has become.

Missing HB · Mar 04, 2011, 03:33 PM // 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Killed u man

This discussion is about why not giving us the ability to have some fun in elite areas, and not being forced to look for hours on end for that last paragons with SY or PI or whatever.

The only natural consequence of introducing a 7-hero team (Which will once again push back pugging by alot) is to allow those heroes to PvE skills...

I can't really find a valid counter argument , thus i ll just /signed...
However , i do think , like i already told it many times , that heroes in PvP should be an other consequences on this update...( to use your argument ,i don't really like waiting an hour to find people )

oscarmk · Mar 04, 2011, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Definitely not.

Ghull Ka · Mar 04, 2011, 04:20 PM // 16:20

No, please.

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